The 590 is the only shotgun that passed U.S. Military specification MIL-S-3443G, which outlines the standards for U.S. armed forces riot-type shotguns with regards to accuracy, endurance, ability to withstand rough handling and the effectiveness of the supplied heat shield. As far as I`m concerned there is no recoil with the M2,perhaps it depends on what you`ve shot with before,in my case a 40 year old Baikal sxs,now thats serious recoil. Primary Arms. lol. I’ve worked my way through the usual suspects and I’m now torn between the Benelli M2 Comfortech and the Winchester SX3 Composite. A combination ghost ring and blade sight is supplemented with a Picatinny rail that allows the 1301 to utilize prismatic, red dot or any number of compact optics. Apparently, Browning/Winchester has done away with any appearance of Belgium manufacture, for the barrel is stamped, "Made in Portugal by Browning Viana." If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. × The Montefeltro is generally a wonderful gun. Montefeltro Combo. Benelli Montefeltro: Best Pheasant Hunting Shotgun. Wont go far wrong if you put your money towards it. I don't know much about the benelli but I am sure you wont go wrong with the sx3. : https://www.outdoorlimitsshop.comI have used my Winchester SX4 for two and a half seasons. As far as my own preference, in a 12 gauge it would be the Fabarm USA L4S as an upland gun and the Remington V3 as a plain-Jane looking, but do everything type of autoloader. I definitely prefer lugging the Franchi around to my old SX-2 Winchester (which is heavier than a SX 3 or SX 4). Benelli M2 Tactical Manufactured by Benelli Armi SpA, a subsidiary of Beretta, the M2 Tactical is a somewhat larger semi-automatic shotgun than the 1301. If you had to use just one shotgun for pheasant hunting, what would it be? Better yet, the system proved to be more reliable and simpler to produce than the old Browning long recoil design used in guns like the Browning A5. Comments or questions?   You cannot paste images directly. Also seems to be a helluva gun. Display as a link instead, × In my LGS this morning and he just got in these 2 shotguns. The Benelli shotgun also features a pistol grip, and the manufacturer claims it features up to 48 percent less recoil than comparing shotguns. For the 10 year warranty and a stronger brand name, the Benelli M2 and Benelli Montefeltro are low-maintenance workhorses, albeit at a high price. There must be a good reason that the police and the millitary rate the benelli and use it when they want reliability ! With regards to it feeling cheap, it never once crossed my mind when I had a play that it was made to a budget. Pigeon Watch Ltd. Benelli Super Black Eagle 2 vs. the new Super Black Eagle ... Winchester sx3/sx4 is has the same gas system as the maxus with an $800 price tag. With the recent release of the Winchester SX4 semi-auto shotgun, many people wondering what the difference is between the SX4 and the SX3. Inertia vs. Gas . Montefeltro Starting Price: $1,129 Get Model Details. Does anyone have experience of both the above, or am I missing a blindingly obvious choice? $1,058.75. Where abouts are you in the county are you ? You can post now and register later. Enjoy using the gun. I had a benelli M1 and had no problems with it, only sold it because it was a little long and I friend started shooting so I let it go cheap. I suppose any synthetic/plastic gun will have a slightly 'cheaper' feel to it (if that's the right word). I've been shooting my sx3 for 12 months now & love it. Benelli Montefeltro. The gun comes with a 28 inch barrel but does not have a 30 inch option. Some very helpful replies there, thank you. I've not had chance to shoulder an SX3 yet so I suppose I will have a better idea once I find one locally to have a look at and make my decision then. Only criteria I have is that I fancy a synthetic, its around the £1000 mark (or there abouts) and it is reliable . Find out more. I can't imagine the SX4 wouldn't also be a keeper That, however, has not been the focus of most of the correspondence. If anything it looked/felt well engineered, mechanically anyway. More The Gun Nuts. I handled both, they felt ok. Specifications. The Winchester SX4 is a premier line of shotguns from the makers of some of the greatest rifles in the world. Order some apparel! Everything in question that's worth a damn comes with stock shims: Browning, Benelli, Beretta and Winchester. That gun is so light, slim and easy to carry. Joined: Feb 9, 2007 Messages: 3,692. Infact, the only good thing about them is they dont get as dirty inside. But iv got a SX3 and for sub grand in money gun.   Your link has been automatically embedded. The Benelli uses the inertia drive system and the A400 a gas drive. Latest. Love that gun. Winchester SX4 2021 shot show special ... Now I am thinking of having my Benelli Montefeltro 20 gauge dipped and turned into a dedicated turkey gun. See Deal. A shotgun is a firearm, typically a long arm that is fired from the shoulder, that instead of a single bullet fires a number of smaller pellets. Like those on all Winchester shotguns, the SX4’s barrels are back-bored and have a non-corrosive chrome lining. IMO the 20/24" Ultralight is not. But then I think go for the SX3 and put the change to some other bits. I must say that I have thumbed over a Benelli and for me at least it handled and shouldered very well. The lighter and more streamlined SX3 proved to be a worthy replacement. Item Number Stock Finish ... Montefeltro Series. Recommended: Uzi: The Israeli Machine Gun That Conquered the World, Recommended: The M4: The Gun U.S. Army Loves to Go to War With, Recommended: Why Glock Dominates the Handgun Market (And Better than Sig Sauer and Beretta). Benelli Super Black Eagle II, 26 inch barrel (#10107, synthetic stock w/Max-4 HD Camo, 2009 MSRP $1759) The Benelli SBE II out of the box weighed in at 7.25 pounds, with a trigger breaking at 5.3 pounds. In today's marketplace, Benelli often ranks as one of the absolutely worst values out there. I have a Benelli M2 and have nothing but problems with it, its been back to GMK 4 times and to be honest I regret the day I got it!! This Super X4 follows on the heels of the most successful Winchester autoloader ever: the Super X3 Black Shadow. I’ve worked my way through the usual suspects and I’m now torn between the Benelli M2 Comfortech and the Winchester SX3 Composite. Upload or insert images from URL. The SX4 and SX4 Waterfowl are available with both 3- and 3 1/2–inch chambers, and both have composite stocks. Primary Use: Clays Secondary Use: Upland & Waterfowl Already have a Remington Express Pump. This makes a properly fitted out shotgun an excellent weapon for home defense or close quarters combat. December 27, 2011 in Guns & Equipment. I hear good things about them both and like the way they handle, but I’m trying to convince myself the Benelli is worth the extra £300. I’m struggling on my final decision as to which semi auto to plump for, will mainly be used for pigeon bashing and the odd clay trip. December 9, 2011. If it fits you well i'd say go for it and that's from personal experience....from someone who rarely cleans it and regularly gets it covered in **** etc, Yes just given it a clean having purchased from west mids (Tommy) this afternoon. Yes it has a bit of a wallop to it but it's light weight and not gas driven so what would you expect? The shotgun has a barrel length of 18.5 inches, making it handy indoors, and an enlarged charging handle that’s difficult to miss in stressful shooting situations. Available in 3- and 3½-inch 12-gauge models, as well as 3-inch 20-gauge, the SX3 has been offered in waterfowl, turkey, field and various target configurations. By It shoots where its pointed, handles loads from 24 to 65g with no quibble & is easy to fully strip & clean after a foul time on the marsh. Manufactured by Benelli Armi SpA, a subsidiary of Beretta, the M2 Tactical is a somewhat larger semi-automatic shotgun than the 1301. Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by viking499, Jul 28, 2012.   Your previous content has been restored. Originally designed as a civilian sporting gun, the Trench Gun version sported a twenty-inch barrel, making it easier to handle in the narrow trenches of the Western Front, a bayonet lug for hand-to-hand combat and a heat shield. Sx3 for me mine is faultless cycles anything and easy to clean. I have reviewed both these guns....for me it has to be the Benelli with the wood stock, not the synthetic one. The shotgun is fitted with a variety of iron sights, including ghost ring and tritium sights, and the receiver is drilled and tapped for a MIL-STD1913 Picatinny rail, allowing the user to install specialized optics. See Deal. One of the most common shotguns in circulation is the venerable Remington 870. See https://www.facebook.com/RandyHunts/ . Length of pull is an unusually long 14 3/8     inches to accommodate the user’s bulletproof vest. A replacement to the much-acclaimed SX3, the SX4 has topped the charts as an entry-level hunting shotgun for the masses that is easy to use and has great recoil management. $999.00. viking499 Member. I’m struggling on my final decision as to which semi auto to plump for, will mainly be used for pigeon bashing and the odd clay trip. Another reason am going for the benelli is because the Winchester felt real cheap like a hats an escort and rough in places ! oilyrag, Shotguns are chiefly sporting arms, useful for hunting birds or other small, fast-moving game, but also have military and civilian self-defense uses. × - posted in Semi-Auto [Shotguns]: I have been reading up on both. I've had my SX3 for nearly 4 years now and I gotta say I love it. There is no escaping it, for all you have to do is look at the latest Benelli Ethos Sport shotgun. Beretta claims its Blink gas operating system makes the 1301 thirty 6 percent faster than competing shotguns, enabling it to empty its four-shot magazine in just one second. The Beretta 1301 is one of a new generation of semi-automatic combat shotguns. Winchester SX3 SYNTHETIC STOCK WITH TEXTURED GRIPPING SURFACE gives your hands a sure, non-slip grip and … Super or not-so-much? Clear editor. Compared to a gas auto the Benelli will have more recoil, personally I think they are overpriced as well. There would be no point to the new SX4 if it did not take function, handling and egonomics to the next level. See Deal : Price History. One minute it was there and gon the next. If a 3-1/2 inch, composite-stocked water fowling shotgun were the subject, then a Benelli SBE-II vs. Maxus vs. Beretta Xtrema2 comparison would seem to make more sense. Kyle Mizokami is a defense and national-security writer based in San Francisco who has appeared in the Diplomat, Foreign Policy, War is Boring and the Daily Beast. They also don't come with shims. Benelli here pretty bomb proof and never had any issues mine was second hand and handles better for me than a beretta ( I wanted a leftie too), I can honestly say that I've never heard a bad word about the sx3. View Series. But I have never shot a SX3. I would say that due to the bolt retracting on the Benelli it should have less recoil than an O/U, but they are quite light guns and light weight means more recoil. The Benelli M2 is an advanced shotgun which is fast and accurate. See Deal. Still need to work out what the differances in the models are though and if its worth swapping mine over. Winchester Guns SX4 Hybrid 12GA - 3.5" - Synth - Gray Cerakote $849.99 Mossberg 58244 500 Field/Deer Pump Combo 12 Gauage - 28"/24" - 5+1 - Synthetic Dual Comb (Black) $419.99 Benelli SBE 3 12GA 28" Optifade Marsh $1,799.99 The U.S. Marine Corps uses a similar version, the M4, designated the M1014. See http://www.randywakeman.com/TheNotSoSuperWinchesterSX4Shotgun.htm . Cant say much for the Benelli as iv never shot one. I'm a massive Winchester fan and always have been. The Waterfowl model is covered from buttstock to muzzle with Mossy Oak Shadow Grass Blades pattern. Its a cracking bit of kit. The shotgun was quickly picked up for police and prison guard use in the United States and has seen limited service in foreign military forces. The M2 – A closer Look On The Technical Nitty-Gritties. Like other shotguns barrel length varies quite a bit but the U.S. military’s shotgun barrels are likely 18.5 inches long. A typical military grade 500 series shotgun has all-metal construction, an eight round internal magazine, a manual safety and bead sights. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. The only wa is for you to handle both personally, prefferably at the same time. Same action in both. Brownells. By Phil Bourjaily. This video is a little review of it. 1299x8070 - I've owned a benelli … Logged Tom007. I use the sx3 and for £300 i should just get out shooting more with the cash. Guns.com. The SX4 Field and SX4 Field Compact are only available with 3-inch chambers and come dressed in a stick of Grade I walnut. Trench Guns were used not only to clear narrow trenches during attacks but also, interestingly enough, to shoot down hand grenades flung towards American lines. Autoloading Shotguns Compared: Beretta, Benelli/Franchi, Mossberg, Browning/Winchester, Fabarm/Caesar Guerini, Remington and Weatherby By Randy Wakeman According to the latest (2015) data distributed by the ATF, over 1.2 million shotguns were made in … Have had an SX3 for a couple years, but haven't used it much. The 20/26" Montefeltro is a well-balanced shotgun. Developed by the prolific American firearms designer John Moses Browning, the Winchester Model 1897 pump-action shotgun was better known as the “Trench Gun” in World War I. Powered by Invision Community, Nr Ipswich, Import from Essex 17 Years and proud to live in Suffolk. If you buy one I think you'll love it too. I like gas operated guns, as they lessen recoil and I cannot see the point in buying an inertia gun, which really has nothing in it's favour, when you might as well buy a trouble free O/U. The improbable part is due to the disparity in the models themselves. Montefeltro.   Pasted as rich text. $1,079.73. Benelli cryogenically treats barrels and choke tubes to increase pattern density. And it does. Are you looking to get it from Tom's or elseware? Page 1 of 2 - Benelli Montefeltro or Beretta A400 XPOR? Either way the sx3 has a 3 year warranty and benelli has 5 year warranty and far less to go wrong with seals etc ! You can follow him on Twitter: @KyleMizokami. Now for the real kicker, and this is a big one: The new Winchester SX4 is a cheaper date. $1,051.99. I had all the same issues as you for choice I went for the SX3 Composite myself in the end It handles nice, points well, and sometimes I hit things. See Deal. I've herd a few bad things about the sx3 so tomorrow am getting a M2 ! These shotguns, like the M1, M2, and M3, proved to be reliable, fast cycling, and clean. The shotgun with the most recent U.S. military pedigree is the Mossberg 500 series pump-action shotguns, including the Mossberg 590. The 500 is used by the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Marine Corps. You probably know I don't think the Remingtons are worth a damn. The Benelli Montefeltro vs. I've got the Camo version and I've had no problems at all with it.It cycles really well too using 70mm Black Gold carts. Sportsman's Guide. Highly modifiable, a stock 870 can be modified by the user into an excellent home defense weapon. I wonder if it will be too light with 3” TSS loads. These were (and are) plastic stocked autoloaders, with the Benelli as reviewed carrying a 2009 MSRP of over $1700! Gun Descriptions. Self-loading shotguns have been slow to catch on in the United States, particularly in military units, for reasons that are not well known. a good friend has the bennelli M2....he loves it, and to be honest so do I , and my son and some other acquintances who have shot it..........only winchester i have ever owned is a winchester lock knife, thats good though, Benelli M2 is not like a toy, it's built really well and will take all sorts of abuse, if you've had a problem i'd have to say you have been unlucky at best? One thing that does come up quite often, is the mention of the Benelli having a higher level of recoil than other semi autos due to it's inertia system. After enjoying a good run, the Super X2 was eventually replaced by the Super X3, or SX3 for short. It is light, pointable and flawless (in my case) with any load. Sportsman's Warehouse. The 870 is sold in a variety of configurations, with barrel length ranging from eleven inches to thirty, magazine capacity ranging from four to ten shells, and sold in shell calibers from .410 to 12 gauge. Mark Griffin June 24, 2015 Blogs, Gear Review Leave a comment 21,455 Views. Benelli offers an “Easy Locking” bolt on some models (Super Black Eagle 3 and Ethos) that always go into battery. The M2 has a 18.5 inch barrel but can accommodate five rounds in the internal magazine. View All Montefeltro Series; Montefeltro. Find a Benelli Dealer. These beauties ship with three Invector-Plus choke tubes: improved cylinder, modified and full. Benellis feel like cheap market toys, kick like a mule and have a horrible step rib. A manual, pump action shotgun, the “870” first hit the civilian market in 1950. Paste as plain text instead, × Why North Korea's Air Force is Total Junk, © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved, Uzi: The Israeli Machine Gun That Conquered the World, The M4: The Gun U.S. Army Loves to Go to War With, Why Glock Dominates the Handgun Market (And Better than Sig Sauer and Beretta). Benelli made their bread and butter on their rotating bolt inertia driven designs. It is also a shoulder-slammer, and I don't think I'd get one in 12. The saved weight comes off the forward end: an Ultralight is essentially a Montefeltro fitted with 24" barrel with a carbon fiber rib, and a shorter foreend with a 2 … benelli montefeltro silver for sale and auction. Winchester’s SX4 semi-automatic shotgun is essentially an SX3 (review here) that has been tweaked and In 2009, he cofounded the defense and security blog Japan Security Watch. Winchester SXP or Benelli Nova. Thought you had, I was looking at the Benelli's on their web site trying to see if to swap my wood stock one for a synthetic stock and what the differances were between the various models he has in stock. $1,058.75. The ability to project a devastating pattern of lead or steel shot to short ranges is also valuable in urban or jungle environments. Retay’s Inertia Plus bolt is also much more difficult to knock out of battery. I got mine from them & have never looked back. In any way I can possibly rate a shotgun, the SX-4 is a significant downgrade from the SX-3. Recoil has never been an issue for me when shooting an o/u, but would I be right in saying the M2 would have less recoil than a o/u? So it depends a lot on what your primary use will be. If you're sat on a marsh or in a hide you'll not notice recoil anyway. Can't speak specifically for the sx4, but I've had an SX2 for probably 10 years that has been flawless duck and goose hunting. Buy a benelli montefeltro silver online. 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